Hi Mark the original post has attracted more attention than all the others,but unfortunetly most don't bother posting.You do a good job and allow people who want to express opinions an opportunity to do so.Without you running the site we wouldn't be able to do this.I think you should be proud of your site.

Hi Mark. Agree there should be no promotion of the sex industry. In this current lengthy thread I don't see anything that could be considered "promotion" just a robust debate about a fact of life in Thailand. Actually anybody reading some of the horror stories in this thread should be utterly petrified of Thai prostitutes by now

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Thanks for the kind words. I am actually pro-awareness and discussion of the sex industry as these women are human beings after all and only doing it because they feel they have no better option (and having to includes certain Thai social ills such as family expectations), and because those who travel to Thailand or any other place for the purpose of sexual exploitation (which is what it is after all) needs to be pitied as well.

I personally feel Thai resorts would do better to offer more to couples and families,they would earn more money that way I am sure.Hua Hin is a place I feel does well in this area,whilst still retaining it's girly type bars.Good choice of Hotels,and restaurants are varied and plentiful.Nice beaches and so on......I met an English Guy whilst I was there and he said Disney were talking about making a Disney world near Hua Hin,but I don't know if he was corect or not.That would certainly impact on the local economy if they did,yes the other Thai resorts should move the girly bars off the front and retain a family image along the front.Nice restaurants,bars and maybe some cabaret bars would really turn things around for the Thai's.Get away from the sex trade as a major player in their economy,and bring different types of clients to enjoy what Thailand has to offer.I am sure peope would return,lots of women are put off by the thought of screaming girls and lonely old men stalking the holiday resorts.

You are not going to solve the se* industry problem.

Like said above, the trade is more fair for tourist, then for thai men. You can't blame tourists for it all.

Live is not always easy. Neither for the prostitutes, neither for their customers! Or do you think those guys have all a great life, to have to go to cheap hookers?

As long if there is free choice, I do not condemn anybody. Life passes by fast, and if that is the way some people want to live, who are we to judge. Some have provided the girls a much better life, married and are happy. Others fell in love and were deceived.

To be honnest, I don't like moralizers,as men, we all have our secret garden and our flaws.

"Some have provided the girls a much better life, married and are happy."

Good point tintin, it's not always about victims & explotation. I've know many men who have married gals from the bars and made better lives for them.

I've heard of Thai girls who are not bargirl types or prostitutes at all, in fact from middle class not dirt poor families, and they worked in bars purely to meet foreign men, hoping to marry one and go live in Farangland.

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Some have provided the girls a much better life, married and are happy."

Good point tintin, it's not always about victims & explotation. I've know many men who have married gals from the bars and made better lives for them.

I've heard of Thai girls who are not bargirl types or prostitutes at all, in fact from middle class not dirt poor families, and they worked in bars purely to meet foreign men, hoping to marry one and go live in Farangland.


That's interesting you take that view Bob,so why can all deduce from what your saying that you would be happy for your own children to work in the sex industry in Thailand then?That would give them a chance to meet foreign men and better themselves.Lets hope they don't meet some of the sad cases I know who travel to Thailand for sex.

How can free choice truly exist when when a person is forced into the sex trade for financial reasons?I don't condemn anyone either ,I just think most Thai prostitutes would rather not be prostitutes.And Bobs arguement that Bar Girls do sometimes meet farangs and make a life with them, tells us all that the girls do indeed want to get away from their lives of selling sex to tourists.You mistake my genuine concern for the exploited human beings who offer services in the Thai sex trade.I am not moralising,I am passing comment on what I veiw as a sad abuse of humans by humans ,but both the recipient and the donor are driven,one by the desperate need to earn money,and the other to obtain by exploition,cheap sex in a country where the lack of jobs and money allows such injustices to take place.I hear what you say about Thai custom and practice with regards to prostitute use for Thai's themselves.But this doesn't excuse the abuses inflicted by the sex tourists.Thailands long standing attitude to sex, is probably the reason sex tourists have found Thailand's sex workers compliant and easy to exploit.The Free choice you advocate and say you promote for all, is not available to most sex workers in Thailand.I hope one day Thailand realises it's true potential,and can then perhaps find a different and more worthwhile roll for it's female population.It isn't the morals of Thailand I have the problem with,it is the intransigence and lack of concern of the people who are prepared to live among this daily systematic abuse and suffering of fellow human beings,and try to pass it off as acceptable behaviour,and even try and point out the many benefits of life for a Thai bar girl /prostitute.

I don't really think of bars and barwork as being the "sex industry". The brothels & fish-bowl massage parlors, yes, they are pure sex industry. But bars not necessarily. Thai girls who work in bars can go out with a customer if they wish, and that is prostitution and a part of the sex industry. BUT other girls (and I've known many over the years) just work the bars for extra income, tips, fun, to improve their English, and some hope to meet a farang husband.

When I read some of the garbage you write I doubt if you've ever been to Thailand at all and ever sat in a bar in Thailand. You talk about "daily systematic abuse and suffering" and "exploited human beings" and "injustices" and "abuses inflicted by the sex tourists" What on earth are you on about? Ever bar I've ever been in I see gals laughing and sharing snacks and chatting with customers and enjoying themselves. So please stop spewing out stereotype garbage and tell us exactly where you have personally seen "suffering" and "abuse" in Thai bars?

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Hi Bob sorry you take such a shallow stance on this subject,I have been to Thailand and witnessed at first hand what goes on in the bars. Both in Bangkok,Samui,Hua Hin,Phuket.I also know Thai people who now live in England with my friends,They don't support your baised mysogynistic veiws either.It's a pity you set yourself up as an advisor on Thailand really when you so obviously missrepresent the issues involved here.I can only assume you have your own agenda.I notice you are quite prepared to offer advice to the originator of this post on where he might best be able to find safe adult entertainment on Phuket?Bob you are not, repeat not, an authority on Thailand and I do wish you would keep your advice to yourself.Thanks for your input.