Yes, the girls that work in the bars of Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok and other spots in Thailand, work there by choice because it's fun, easy, and can be good money. Over the years I've personally known hundreds, they all worked the bars because they enjoyed it, they left whenever they wanted for a multitude of reasons, none were ever forced to have sex with customers, if they went with a customer it was because they wanted to. (Believe it or not there are Thai gals who actually ENJOY sex, it's not always a vile disgusting act that's forced upon them.)

To say they're ill-educated is incorrect, I've never known any bargals who had uni degrees but they had all been to high school and had average educations. To say they had no other options is also incoreect. There are countless other jobs open to them. Plus the Thai gov holds adult training courses in every amphur known as "Salaphat Chang" at these centers young adults can get training and qualifications in all manner of skills, ex: hairdressing, cooking, mechanics, and so on... The fees are very low (subsidised by the Thai gov) and generally around 500Bt a term. I've known many girls who tired of the bar scene attend such courses and became skilled in a trade, and then found employment in that trade. And I've known many who returned to the bar scene because they found working in a beauty salon too tiring and boring.

The whole notion of Thai girls been driven to the bars (ie prostitution) out of sheer necessity is also debatable. For example if a girl sleeps with a customer and then goes to the market and buys food for herself and her family, then yes, I agree she was driven into it. But, what I've personally witnessed is they'll go shopping for a new pair of shoes, buy a gold chain for their Thai boyfriends, drop a couple thousand baht in a card game, and lend the rest to their friends. All this talk of dirt poor Northern families forced into selling their daughters has to be taken with a grain of salt too. Sure they sell their daughters (to the Thai brothels, not the tourist bars) and then buy a plasma TV so they have big face in the village.

I worked for many years as a journalist in Thailand, for the Bangkok Post and other publications. I've done deep research into the prostitution situation and my conclusion is that tourism is not the cause nor is it much of a factor. 99% of tourists find sexual partners from the bars which are staffed by consenting adults. The real crime, the young sexual slaves working off debts for the families, are entirely for local consumption. So please put the blame right where it belongs - on the heads on Thai flesh dealers who are supplying a demand for Thai & Chinese men. NOT tourists.

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When I mentionThai sex trade I don't just mean Thai girls.Next Bob you will be telling me the children are consenting to it all.Anyway I thank you for your informed reply ,but I have to say there is a lot of evidence out there to suggest that the billions of dollars that comes into Thailand is from Foriegn sex trade tourist's.It includes the Hotels takings ,bar takings tours etc.I don't know how they work the figures out but everyone seems to think The sex trade earns lots of overseas currency.On a different note what do you make of this little story.

Thanks for taking the time to write about your experience. It seems that everyone in the desperate bid for money has taken to using the highly potent and toxic drug for illect purposes in Bangkok.
50 dead white men to show for it in a 12 month period.
Our story.
My husband and I have been to Bangkok numerous times and never a problem. This last August he went for a overnight to drop of a necklace he had purchased for me that needed to be changed.
He got in late and the lobby bar was closed. He wanted a beer and went out.(MEN FIRST MISTAKE -NEVER GO OUT ALONE). The cabby took him to a neon go go bar. He repeated -look I just want a beer. So eaxi takes him to this little bar/poolhall. He sits down and has a beer. Like flies the whores came calling. My husband is a nice guy and simply stated he was there for a beer nothing else.
He had another beer and had pushed off three girls.
Next thing he says remembering was a feeling of disconnect. He said everything just got surreal. I do not know what drug would create that feeling or effect? He said the next morning he awoke in his hotel room and at first it all seemed somewhat normal except for a headache. He went about his errands and came back to the room. He said as he was walking the steps of the hotel -memories started to trickle into his mind of the night before. He said that a lot he is just unsure of. Like he does not remember gettting to the hotel by taxi. He does not remember going into the room. He does remember the girl who was with him taking a shower and fixing a drink and standing around looking out the window. He said he had sex with her. He does not understand how this possible. He stated to my family and friends as this all came to light that if he had wanted to have sex with someone other than me he would have done it in Amsterdam where it is safe and regulated . He makes no mistake that he commited adultery. But he swears to all that he was just sitting in the bar having a beer and then a while later he felt out of his body like a dissconnect from "all his reality"
. I know most people would say "oh he is making that BS up." But there is a little part of me that believes this girl got to his room and had sex with him in an effort to try and gain access to his room. He said he remembers asking her to leave four times. She acted like she did not understand English and she said she wanted to stay with him for his visit, etc. He finally put her on the outside of the door-against her will. He states that he barely made it to the bed before he "passed out".
The fear of Aids is so real for him that he flew back to the US within hours of recollecting the events-hence the battery of tests now for months. He feels that what he did was totally out of character and can not believe he did it. My question is what drug could do this? He did pass out and he did not remember anything for over 10 hours afterwards. He will be the first to say he can not believe it was him having sex with the girl- she was 10 years younger than his daughter. He is sick -I am sick and in the middle of dividing assests after 24 years of marriage.
Can anyone save this marriage? Is there a drug as he said made him dissconnect from himself? He said when he walked in the bar it was the guy I know, totally together, no desire for the stress of sex with a whore. Then he ends up here . We have now spent thousands on 6 doctor visits -tests-lawyers and tears that are priceless. Forget Christimas and by the way I would never spend another baht in Thailand for life.

"Next Bob you will be telling me the children are consenting to it all."

I take offence to that remark. I have not and would never make any comment condoning child sex.

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Sorry Bob didn't mean to offend you,I mean when we discuss The Sex Trade in Thailand ,it's easy to forget children are also included...........Gary Glitter types spring to mind.I am not suggesting you are condoning child sex I wouldn't converse with you if I thought that.But if you say foriegners are not travelling to Thailand for sex with kids thats not right,as we all know they are.

I suppose every picture tells a story,this post has attracted more viewings than any other,it sort of gives us an idea what the people who visit this site are really looking for.Not many bother posting though.Iam sure the old site which I think had a green backgound to it condemned and would not permit exchanges about Thailands sex trade.I seem to remember it being more in informative in it's general content.Maybe I am on the wrong site.

I haven't made any mention of child sex because I do not equate tourism with exploiting children. In my observations tourist men have sex with consenting adults, be they female or males. Yes, I believe there are a few sickos who come to Thailand looking for kiddies, just as there are sickos doing this in the USA, Aust, Europe, everywhere in fact. I also believe that Pattaya WAS a bit of a hangout for these types in the past. The police cracked down and they moved on, I have heard that most went to Cambodia.

By the way, why does Gary Glitter always get thrown up. He was a famous pop star whose music appealed to young girls, and he took advantage of those young girls. So did The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Bay City Rollers, Led Zeppelin. Jimmy Page is idolized worldwide and he is also a well-documented peodophile (Google Lori Maddox) And let us not forget the most famous Rock N Roll peadophile of all time, who is at this very moment being adored and worshiped around the world. The late M. Jackson.

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In reply to Travel Forum Guest who made this post:

"Bob your comment about the Thais girls looking younger because they are petite is frankly rubbish..."

No it's not frankly rubbish. Thai women in their 20s & 30s are frequently mistaken for being far younger due to their size and dress. Friends of mine who have petite Thai wives tell me they always get dirty glares from middle-aged foreign women at tourist spots, sometime they overhear nasty remarks. But their wives are ADULTS and MOTHERS.

And

"I just think it would be reassuring to hear people like you who live in Thailand speak out occasionally against the suffering these people endure on a daily basis."

In the late 1980s while working as a photojournalist for the Bangkok Post I was on assignment in Pattani and came across a large red-light area known locally as 'ESSO' This area was wall-to-wall tinshed brothels staffed with very young fair-skinned Northern Thai girls. There were scores of men coming and going, apart from myself no other foreigner, all Thai-Muslims, fishermen, soldiers & sailors. I wrote a story about ESSO and there were many responses internationally about my feature. A short while later ESSO was closed down as too many complaints had been registered with the Thai officials.

So I have spoken out and I have personally made an improvement to this dreadful situation.

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But that's my point Bob,child sex and Thailand go very much together these days.I do realise paedophillia is in every country in the world,but as far as I know in most countries it is a local thing.I am told (and I have to say I have never been to Pattaya) that grown men walk about on the beach hand in hand in Pattaya with young (under age boys).I have seen this myself in Patpong,I am talking now openly in the main street.I can't imagine that happening in Britain without some sort of reaction.Not many people would refute paedophiles do travel to Thailand for sex with children.Glitter is mentioned because he was convicted in England and came out and went to Spain ,they through him out,he then went to Thailand and after much publicity they did the same.He also complained about being on the paedophile register and tried to get off it.Which drew even more attention to himself.I firmly believe Thailand would benefit enourmously by cleaning up the sex trade and concentrating and targetting family orientated tourism.You don't need me to tell you what a beautifull country Thailand is,with many place to go,it's a pity their culture is so liberal it affords abuses which we would not see anywhere else in the world.At least the Thai's seem to be trying to stop the flow these days.

Another Briton Arrested In Pattaya On Paedophile Charges
Updated: [March 20, 2009 ] :: 18:39:15 [view 2015]
ANOTHER BRITON ARRESTED IN PATTAYA ON PAEDOPHILE CHARGES
On the morning of 19th March 2009 Pattaya police announced that a suspected British paedophile had been arrested in Pattaya, accused of having sex with an underage Thai male.

At a press conference a police team led by Pol.Col. Krit Warit, Pol. Lt. Col. Chanchai Chowkasem, Pol. Lt. Col. Boon Rod Aung Gab, accompanied by Pol. Lt. Col. Suwan Aun Anan, revealed to the media that they had arrested Mr. Paul Dixon [45], a British national, for having sex with a Thai male under 15 years of age.

On display were items collected from the suspect’s room at King Fisher House 504/498 Moo .10 Soi Yensabai, Pratumnuk Road, including KY jelly, pornographic movies, a video camera, sex toys, a bondage belt and a collection of photos which are believed to incriminate the suspect.

Pol.Col. Krit Warit said they had been monitoring an area of the city frequented by foreign men looking for young Thai males for sexual purposes, and in particular a building no. 504/470 in Soi Tonson where many of these underage males were taken.



Mr. Dixon, an engineer with the London Underground, was arrested by a police team when he ventured into the area in the early hours of the morning and propositioned a young teenager for sex.

Police said the Mr. Dixon had been in Pattaya 5 times, normally on a 2 week stay. The suspect can now expect due processing according to the law.



Pol.Col. Krit Warit added that his police team was under direct orders from The Tourist Police Commissioner, Pol.Maj.Gen. Adis Ngahm-Jit Sooksri, to seize foreign tourists who travel to Thailand to have underage sex, a problem which is still prevalent in Pattaya.

I do not agree that "child sex and Thailand go very much together these days" Perhaps that is the sensationalized image projected by certain overseas newspapers but it is not true. I lived in Pattaya for 2 years and never saw "grown men walk about on the beach hand in hand in Pattaya with young (under age boys)." But you have to be careful here - what you see is not always what you think it is. When my wife and I lived in Pattaya her 11 year-old son used to come and stay with us during school hols. My wife would go to work in the mornings and phone me around lunchtime and ask me to take her son out for some lunch. I'm sure many tourists saw me walking around with that boy, and holding his hand when we crossed the street, and jumped to nasty conclusions. The fact that you post a police report about a Brit peodophile arrested in Pattaya doesn't mean much, if you took the time to surf around you could paste similar police reports from any country. I'm not saying these child sex crimes do not happen in Thailand, of course they do, but to suggest that tourism and foreigners are responsible is BS put out by the Thais because they always blame the foreigners. Yes, a small number of foreigner sickos are attracted to children. The huge majority, 99%, have sex with consenting adults.

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as Bob points out, many things as people's perverse thoughts make them to be. in discussion the other night w/Bob, we agreed, neither had seen anything inappropriate since being here, me 8 yrs, Bob, much longer. also compare notes of friends, mine, his daughter 16 ish, and when walking in mall w/dad, like to hold his hand, which he knows brings out many negative thought in wandering minds.

my 1st wfe was 21 when i met here, looked much younger, myself, 45 at the time. a young handsome 45, but still, felt strange as that is the youngest person i had ever dated/age gap wise. but then soon realized it was not strange at all, and quite accepted/tolerated, as noticing many thai/thai relationships after being here a while, with large age gaps. some relationships of love/security, others, well, something extra for both, but mutual consenting adults.

i see adults with children, i smile, not sure what others see. obviously i don't see/notice any inappropriate behavior, or i would intercede myself or get police involved.

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