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Old 6th July 2009, 05:12 AM
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I have merged two threads / discussions as they are about the same thing. Suggest posters in support of King Power read my earlier posts. YES, I 100% DO RECOMMEND TOURISTS STAY AWAY FROM KING POWER DUTY FREE, it is clear something crooked is going on and even the foreign embassies are starting to warn their citizens. I am not saying it is King Power Management, it is most likely a local corrupt staff / security / police thing. BUT ANYWAY, KING POWER ARE TO BE AVOIDED IMHO ALSO BECAUSE A) they have a monopoly (hmmmmm) and B) they are outrageously expensive for a so called duty free in a third world country; SINGAPORE AIRPORT IS MUCH CHEAPER BECAUSE THERE IS COMPETITION. For me the whole deal regarding King Power is bad and I say for both reasons anyone who goes into their shops is a mug, an idiot.
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Old 6th July 2009, 08:26 AM
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Mark, these 2 pieces of CCTV footage are clearly 2 seperate cases and they are showing 2 completely different men. They have similar color hair but distinctively different builds and facial apperance.

Many airports run exclusive deals with Duty Free retailers, my home airport, Melbourne is one of those. I rarely shop at these outlets apart from the odd purchase of some premium liquor and aftershave, but in my experience, the prices at King Power were slightly cheaper than Australian Duty Free for products that I compared.

From a retailers perspective, shoplifting can be a huge financial cost and I feel that they have the right to have thiefs dealt with by the authorities. It is not thier fault that Thai law deals with theft in a more serious way than most western countries. Then again, some "civilized" nations deported their own citizens for stealing a loaf of bread only a few generations ago.

What I find worrying is the number of people advising others not to travel to Thailand because of these incidents and doing so without having the complete facts. We take the word of the accused because they are western and dont believe the accuser because they are not.

Any further drop in tourism numbers fuelled by this campaign will invariably affect the honest Thai tourism operators just as much and in some instances moreso than your intended targets. Please consider this before you make such statements.
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Hi all, I got kidnapped in Bangkok about one week ago but not at the airport. I had met up with a Thai guy in Sukhumvit who I'd met through a farang acquaintance. I'll admit i was up to no good. I was then taken to house in a ghetto of a spot near a khlong nearby. Once there I was left alone while the thai gut went out then returned with a friend. We all sat down when the door burst open and two guys rushed in. Drugs were found and i alone was promptly handcuffed. The Thai guy i knew told me they were plice and we were all under arrest and were looking at two years prison. I was told that prison could be avoided if i paid the "police" 100,000 Baht. It was obvious that these weren't police and I'd been set up by this guy and his friend.

I handed over my ATM card and pin and told them to help themselves but they'd be disappointed and they weren't happy when they checked and saw i only had 37 Baht in the bank!!

I then contacted my brother (who lives in thailand and makes a good living) who was still at our local where I'd left him and filled him in. He and his friends contacted some high ranking police who are regulars at this particular bar.

It was then arranged for my brother to hand over the randsom (which had been haggled down to 60,000 Baht) with plain clothes police going along. During the negotiations the two who were supposedly under arrest with me (i was the only one handcuffed) were actively involved in trying to negotiate a HIGHER randsom and had completly dropped their facade talking with the kidnappers who they obviously were on friendly terms with and coming and going as they pleased.

By this time I had been captive for about five hours and knew I had to get the cuffs off to have any shot of getting away. I faked a seizure which worked in getting them to take off the cuffs.

At the six hours mark a spot was agreed on to do the handover and two of them left to meet my brother. As they met my brother the police went for them but they got away. I was still in the room as this took place when all of a sudden the two guys still with me bolted through the back door. I then got the hell out and saw my brother and the others, luckily as i had no idea where i was, had no money and my phone had been taken.

Thankfully they didn't get any money and i wasn't hurt (althrough it was implied that i would be soon)but unfortunately they got away. I readily admit I was foolish and and feel terrible at jeopardising my brothers and the police officers safety. I truly felt like i was in danger and i feel very lucky to have escaped unharmed. The police were very helpful and professional interviewing me that night and again the next day and THEY DIDN'T TAKE A CENT! The guy who set me up up manages a massage parlour his mum owns. If anyone wants to avoid this place i can provide the address and his name.

I understand my stort differs from the ones above, that it was my foolishness and demons that put me in this situation but this scam can be worked many ways so keep your wits about you.
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Old 6th July 2009, 10:18 AM
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Thumbs down Hi Shanek

1) King Power admit the people they arrested / helped arrest had different clothes on!
2) No stolen goods were found on these people; King Power claims their security guards found the item in a bin and suspect the man put it there; why did they look in a bin? why did the woman give the purse to the man?
3) King Power say they got the women but somehow the man who was sitting next to her (at a different table) was somehow allowed to get up and go to the toilet, which is how they explained he had chance to put the purse in the bin!
4) This is not an isolated case.
5) Western embassies are issuing warnings and looking further into it.
6) The guy in the first video could EASILY be the guy in the second video, but it does not matter, the facts as they stand are enough.

I have had enough of Thailand, with its removal of various politicians to engineer one particular party coming to power, with the abuse of Myanmar boat people, with human rights abuses in the Muslim south that only go to stir more regional conflicts, with the increasingly bad treatment of foreign expats married to Thai women. I hope the everyday Thais work to improve things and will not suffer too much as a result. But I say "Do not go to Thailand and spend your money there a) until the wrongs are put right and b) until the very real risk to innocent travellers is taken care of.
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Old 6th July 2009, 12:16 PM
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It wasn't different clothes, just different outer garments, ie ;jackets, so that they would not be recognised as easily.

The report states the man was followed to a toilet where he was seen disposing of the wallet into a bin.

She gave the wallet to the man as she was the one observed to have taken it.

It is not an isolated case as there are many thiefs in the world and most of them are innocent.

It was the Airport tourist police that apprehended the couple, the King Power security staff were there to identify them.

The man making a purchase in the footage involving the Malaysian man appears to be at least 20 pounds lighter than the English guy in the other video.

What poor treatment of expats married to Thai women? I know many expats who live in Thailand happily and others that complain. The ones that complain were generally the ones who were not happy in their original country either.

The same western embassies were alleged to be not very helpful to the accused.

What is the point of a travel forum that advises people not to travel?
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Old 6th July 2009, 12:31 PM
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"It wasn't different clothes, just different outer garments, ie ;jackets, so that they would not be recognized as easily."

Weird. Surely they would have thought they had got away with it as apprehensions are normally made as they leave the shop right? And surely a thief knows where the cameras are? Maybe I am wrong, but it is too fishy for words.

"The report states the man was followed to a toilet where he was seen disposing of the wallet into a bin."

The reports state the couple were located at the restaurant and the girl confronted. They reason the man saw the trouble and walked off. Why did he have the purse? Why was he allowed to walk away while the girl was confronted? There are many problems with the report.

"It is not an isolated case as there are many thiefs in the world and most of them are innocent."

True, but these are being taken seriously by people including foreign embassies.

"It was the Airport tourist police that apprehended the couple, the King Power security staff were there to identify them."

It does not matter, it changes nothing.

"The man making a purchase in the footage involving the Malaysian man appears to be at least 20 pounds lighter than the English guy in the other video."

That is what you think. I see shots of their face side by side and they appear to be the same man. Anyway, it does not matter / change the facts.

"What poor treatment of expats married to Thai women? I know many expats who live in Thailand happily and others that complain. The ones that complain were generally the ones who were not happy in their original country either."

Please go to the Bangkok Post and other expat forums, e.g. click here

"The same western embassies were alleged to be not very helpful to the accused."

Alleged by who and what difference does that make to the facts?

"What is the point of a travel forum that advises people not to travel"

Exactly, I will soon be closing the forums down and in their place putting up recommendations people do not travel to Thailand (or Bali) for their own sakes and also for the Thai / Balinese people.

PS Australian duty free shops must be a total rip-off if they are more expensive than King Power. I was always amazed at how much more expensive they were than Singapore.
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Old 6th July 2009, 09:50 PM
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I find your attitude to Thailand greatly sadens me. Many of my greatest memmories have been whilst in Thailand and I will take my love for this place to the grave.

You are only willing to see one side to the story and are looking to pick holes in any other opinion to help fuel your new found hatred, this also disturbs me.

It will be a disapointing day that this once very pro-Thailand forum closes. I have gained valuable information from many people on these pages, even if most of them no longer post here. However, I would rather it close than further degenerate into a board that not only accepts constant negative opinion but encourages it. If I wanted to post on a place like that, I would join Thaivisa and listen to the moans of bitter sexpats that hate their adopted country only slightly less than their country of birth.
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That is a very harsh and in my opinion, irresponsible thing to say.

King Power has been the victim of theft and you advise people to stay away from them? If someone stole from you, would you advise the police and expect them to deal with it? It is how that this case has been dealt with by the police that is in question, not the ethics of King Power and even this is still heresay. Your advice should be "Do not steal anything from King Power Duty Free"
The letter in question and the issue was that King Power were setting up tourists by dropping single packets of cigarettes into customers bags without thier knowledge and then accusing them of theft. A financial arrangement would have to be made or bribe, spot fine. This was the scam in question and the scam was being carried out by employee's of KING POWER.

THAT WAS THE WARNING AND THE WARNING IS STAY AWAY FROM KING POWER AND FOR THAT MATTER DUTY FREE IN THAILAND. WALK ON BY.
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Old 7th July 2009, 04:49 AM
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Cool Hi Shanek

"I find your attitude to Thailand greatly sadens me. Many of my greatest memmories have been whilst in Thailand and I will take my love for this place to the grave."

Ditto

"You are only willing to see one side to the story and are looking to pick holes in any other opinion to help fuel your new found hatred, this also disturbs me."

Sorry, I did not realize I appointed you my shrink! Maybe some Freudian statements there Shanek? I am allowing your posts and opinion aren't I? So how is that only willing to see one side of the story? The facts are a) there are numerous reports of such scams going on, b) foreign embassies are issuing warnings and asking for an investigation, c) the girl was not found with the purse, d) the man was not found with the purse, e) no finger print evidence was found on the purse they claim they took, f) the security video does not show him as a thief, g) they were not stopped when leaving the shop, h) they were in different clothes ??!!, i) they say he was allowed to walk away while she was confronted - surely, even though he was not specifically fingered by the video, that would not be allowed to happen in a real arrest situation as they could have supposed he was an accessory at THAT point, j) the story has changed as to where they were stopped from what I can see, k) the FACT is they paid a bribe through an agent to the police. I have said it is possible they are thieves but I think totally unlikely and the fact there was no evidence on them, no finger prints on the purse King Power said they took. They should not have been detained IMHO (even if they did steal the purse, the security / police messed it up) and they should not have been extorted.

"It will be a disapointing day that this once very pro-Thailand forum closes. I have gained valuable information from many people on these pages, even if most of them no longer post here. However, I would rather it close than further degenerate into a board that not only accepts constant negative opinion but encourages it. If I wanted to post on a place like that, I would join Thaivisa and listen to the moans of bitter sexpats that hate their adopted country only slightly less than their country of birth."

Sexpats, funny, I like that! How true in many cases. In Indonesia that means they should be called pedopats! I agree, there is the "We are here but can not bear to go home but don't like our fake and phony life here either" brigade. (Note to BobMac and others, I am not tarring everyone with the same brush). And this is a travel with other forums, not an expat forum per say. I have paid for the hosting on this site until March, the support for the forum software runs out in a few days; I am not going to renew either. I am going to keep the domain and offer it for sale. I am honest in that part of the reason is I do not get to travel any more anyway and so I have less of a drive. But I have always hated bad deals by authorities and officials, and Thailand is serving up a lot of bad stuff, as I have quantified. So I do not like Thailand Inc, but that does not stop me from liking Thais or having fond memories of the place.
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Mark, my apoligies, I didn't mean to judge you. What I find difficult to deal with here is that, for whatever reasons, you find it neccessary to advise people not to go to the place I love being most in the world.

It is certainly sad that this forum will cease to exist, but I respect your decision and your reasons. How much do you want to the domain?
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