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Old 29th June 2009, 09:15 AM
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Mark I see evidence of anti-farang sentiements on a daily basis, just open the Bangkok Post and you'll see some feature on the Thai fear of being over-run by foreigners. I've worked in Thai schools, nationalism is drummed into them. Look at the mass protests every time a new Tesco store opens, when they ignore the fact that a new Tesco adversely effects 2 or 3 mum & pop shops but employs 200-300 Thais.
Re Malaysia: The monthly income required to qualify for the 2nd home is 10,000 Ringit, which is about 100,000THB, seems a bit steep, more than I've ever earned, an Aussie pension is about 30,000THB a month, so it seems Malaysia's 2nd Home plan is for the wealthy only.
It always makes me laugh in Thailand they want you to have an income of 80,000THb a month to qualify for a retirement visa, they claim a farang needs that amount in order to live a suitable lifestyle in Thailand, yet when we apply for teaching jobs they offer salaries of 20,000THB a month and if you say that's too low they say "No you can live OK on that amount."
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The first thing we encounter after customs in Thailand is probably a Taxi ride to our destination,there is lots of information telling tourists not to use private cars at the Airport.Licensed cars are available and display their license numbers in their cars,they are cheaper and disputes can be sorted out by visiting the taxi office at the Airport.The couple at Krabi would not have been robbed had they been a little less casual in their approach to choosing transport.Sorry to be blunt but every country has it's wrong doers and cheats.In Manchester we have plenty of overcharging going on within our own taxi driving fraternity.If you get off the train at Piccadilly Manchester,you could be forgiven for thinking all Mancunian's wear turbans and over charge their unsuspecting punters.There are also people every day of the week posing as taxi drivers in our major cities.I include London in that as well,they over charge people and have been attacked and robbed as well. We also have corner shopkeepers in Manchester who hate us,and and very often speak in a strange tongue when we visit their shops.I can't understand what they are saying ,but you can bet it's something they wouldn't repeat in English.The corrupt customs official is a different matter ,I am not without sympathy for the people who have suffered at the hands of these thieves at all.But lets not forget if they had only had 1 sleeve of fags as the rules state,well we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?We all need to remember we are guests in a strange country when we visit Thailand,there is a lot of poverty in Thailand and people sometimes take desperate steps when faced with the opportunitty to make 1 years wage in a very short time.There is lots of information out there telling us all to be aware at all times,it's madness not to excercise more caution when travelling than you would at home.I got lost in Bangkok one night and we finished up in a very very run down area,it was all getting a bit worrying,the wife popped into the only shop around to get some water,whilst I tried to remember where we had gone wrong.Dressed in shorts and looking very touristy in an area which I doubt any tourist has ever seen before.There were engines on the side of the road in a state of semi repair etc.My wife appeared with a frail looking Thai shopkeeper,what an advert for Thailand he was.He spent ages telling me which way to go even going back into the shop to get paper and pencil and drawing a crude map explaining which road I needed to follow.This guy spent ages wasting his time trying to help someone he must have known he was never going to meet again.The water we bought from him was the cheapest we have ever bought in BKK, I think it was 20 baht.So lets not get too carried away with the bad press we are hearing about at the moment,there are some very kind people in Thailand,but we need to excercise caution when stepping into Taxi's,crossing borders,anywhere in fact where we don't have control of the situation ourselves makes us vulnerable to dishonest people.I have been told that the Police themselves in Thailand sometimes don't recieve their wages,and as a result they set up road blocks and issue on the spot fines untill they have their wages.I have no proof this actually happens ,but if it does maybe the customs are expected to make their own wages when the Thai government have spent all their cash as well.
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Old 29th June 2009, 11:45 AM
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Without a long thread here as it's not needed. Its very simple. Thailand is a tourist centre flagship for south east asia. The security at the airport should be watertight. Tourist should be getting in a taxi organised by the airport. It's their responsiblility to look after your welfare and Thailands responsibility to look after visitors and nationals alike.
Travellers are not aware of the pittfalls and cannot be blamed. Suvarnabhumi Airport is not doing enough and their customs should be targeting smugglers not tourist with a few extra smokes.
Tourism is built on hospitality. That is the argument over. Bob mac is absolutley spot on pointing these things out and we should not let these short comings go lightly. Malaysia well done top marks in this department you take a fare ticket with a number telling the taxi driver where to go all peoples in the airports are registered and have the proper identity cards. Thailand has alot to learn from Malaysia.
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The first thing we encounter after customs in Thailand is probably a Taxi ride to our destination,there is lots of information telling tourists not to use private cars at the Airport.Licensed cars are available and display their license numbers in their cars,they are cheaper and disputes can be sorted out by visiting the taxi office at the Airport.The couple at Krabi would not have been robbed had they been a little less casual in their approach to choosing transport.Sorry to be blunt but every country has it's wrong doers and cheats.In Manchester we have plenty of overcharging going on within our own taxi driving fraternity.If you get off the train at Piccadilly Manchester,you could be forgiven for thinking all Mancunian's wear turbans and over charge their unsuspecting punters.There are also people every day of the week posing as taxi drivers in our major cities.I include London in that as well,they over charge people and have been attacked and robbed as well. We also have corner shopkeepers in Manchester who hate us,and and very often speak in a strange tongue when we visit their shops.I can't understand what they are saying ,but you can bet it's something they wouldn't repeat in English.The corrupt customs official is a different matter ,I am not without sympathy for the people who have suffered at the hands of these thieves at all.But lets not forget if they had only had 1 sleeve of fags as the rules state,well we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?We all need to remember we are guests in a strange country when we visit Thailand,there is a lot of poverty in Thailand and people sometimes take desperate steps when faced with the opportunitty to make 1 years wage in a very short time.There is lots of information out there telling us all to be aware at all times,it's madness not to excercise more caution when travelling than you would at home.I got lost in Bangkok one night and we finished up in a very very run down area,it was all getting a bit worrying,the wife popped into the only shop around to get some water,whilst I tried to remember where we had gone wrong.Dressed in shorts and looking very touristy in an area which I doubt any tourist has ever seen before.There were engines on the side of the road in a state of semi repair etc.My wife appeared with a frail looking Thai shopkeeper,what an advert for Thailand he was.He spent ages telling me which way to go even going back into the shop to get paper and pencil and drawing a crude map explaining which road I needed to follow.This guy spent ages wasting his time trying to help someone he must have known he was never going to meet again.The water we bought from him was the cheapest we have ever bought in BKK, I think it was 20 baht.So lets not get too carried away with the bad press we are hearing about at the moment,there are some very kind people in Thailand,but we need to excercise caution when stepping into Taxi's,crossing borders,anywhere in fact where we don't have control of the situation ourselves makes us vulnerable to dishonest people.I have been told that the Police themselves in Thailand sometimes don't recieve their wages,and as a result they set up road blocks and issue on the spot fines untill they have their wages.I have no proof this actually happens ,but if it does maybe the customs are expected to make their own wages when the Thai government have spent all their cash as well.
Basically its simple. Suvarnabhumi Airport is wrong. Malaysias airports have registered taxis and customs are looking for smugglers not tourist with over their allowance by a silly amount and then fine them a crazy sum.

Bad show Thailand.
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Old 29th June 2009, 01:02 PM
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I am sorry but your info is quite wrong,Bangkok Airport does have licensed cabs available,but the client is expected to seek out the the Office.Then all you do is go outside to the waiting cab produce your ticket etc and that's it.Why anyone would want to travel half way around the world and jump into an unlicensed car is frankly beyond comprehension.If you did that in England you would deserve all you get.Travellers are expected to use some common sense,if they don't they will have problems anywhere in the world.Cabs at Bangkok Airport are easy to find and the information is freely available on the internet,the information and warnings about using unlicensed cabs is also freely available.Its not a school outing,adults are expected to take some responsibility for their own well being and safety when travelling abroad.The customs incident should have been challenged,and could have been avoided easily,just a little simple home work would have soon thrown up the amount of cig allowance permitted.Also why didn't the couple just say the other cigs were for the husband?I don't think we are getting the full story here somehow.
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Transportation Bangkok Airport Public Taxi Service
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Public taxis can be found on Level 2 (Arrivals). Alternatively take a shuttle bus (Express route) to the Transport Center taxi stand.
> Contact Taxi counter, Level 2 - Arrivals, near entrances 3, 4, 7 and 8.

> Pick up area: taxi stand Level 2 - Arrivals

> Taxi fare: metered taxi fare plus 50 Baht airport surcharge, and expressway fees.

> Public taxis serving Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport must be less than 5 years old.

> Public taxi drives must be certified by Airports of Thailand.

> Passenger drop off at Departures (level 4 - outer curb).
This info is from the Airport you say doesn't offer public licensed cabs,it's very easy to find just type taxis at Bangkok Airport.There are many warnings about the dangers of unlicensed cabs.
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Be careful at the Bangkok International Airport and make sure to tell all your friends who wants to visit Bangkok. This is a notification I have received and now I want to share with you all:

Hey buddies: spread news to ur family members,freinds,relatives to be carful at bangkok airport fraudlant arrests are being made ,due to duty free shops staff purposely put some extra stuff in ur purchased stuff, then police arrests,and they share such money with each other for their own needs,or greed,but you may suffer humilation ,arrests,and money losses.

An Indian was detained in Bangkok for stealing a box of cigarettes in a duty-free shop in Bangkok International Airport. He had paid for chocolates and a carton of cigarettes. The cashier put a packet of cigarettes into his bag and he thought it was a free pack. He was arrested for shop-lifting and the Thai Police extortion price was 30,000 Bhat for his release.

He spent two nights in jail and paid 500 Baht for an air-cond cell, 200-300 baht for each visitor, and 11,000 baht for his final release. The Police shared the money in front of his eyes. On top of that, he was charged in court and fined 2,000 baht by the magistrate and handcuffed and escorted to his plane. His passport was stamped "Thief". While there, his relatives requested help from the
Indian Embassy and was told that they are helpless, many Asians are victimised similarly daily and letters and phone-calls to the Thai Authorities are ignored.He shared a cell with a Singaporean the 1st night who paid 60,000 baht for his release. The 2nd night was an Malaysian national who paid 70,000 baht. Mind you this was not in a shanty shop in downtown Bangkok but in a duty free shop in
Bangkok Int'l Airport.
BE WARNED.

A similar incident has happened last week. One of the residents in my condo is taking care of him. The victim is in Bangkok & some contacts are helping him.

The victim has come to Bangkok as tourist from Dubai he is his family was trapped in shop lifting in Bangkok airport.

This is pretty convincing stuff Bob,I hope it gets sorted out before I arrive in February!Your post about your friend seems pretty tame looking at this.I took this from another forum,I hope it's authentic.People need to be on their guard against such behaviour.I think the stuff about the Taxi's though is not correct at all.Maybe the customs officials are having problems getting paid.
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I've been driving between Pattaya and Bangkok for years on the motorway without problems. I'm a cautious driver, and always drive slowly and carefully.

Two months ago I became aware of numerous motorcycle Highway Police waiting at the Bang Na toll plaza (direction to Pattaya). They are on foot and randomly stop a large number of cars usually including me. I'm never at fault of any kind, and indeed the first they see me is when I'm actually stopped picking up the toll card.

The routine is always the same. They signal me to stop, come up and demand my license (I have a Thai one). Then they make up some sort of offense ("You took the card too fast", "You started too fast after you got the card", You were approaching the toll booth too fast"). Then they tell me that I'll have to drive to some far-away police station in 2 days to pay the fine and retrieve my license. Of course, I offer to pay the fine immediately, and they demand 500 THB. It's always settled at 200 THB, and I go on my way with my license.

I realize every expat sometimes has this experience, however the frequency of it happening has increased at a astonishing rate. And it's ALWAYS the same toll plaza, and the same officers. I feel that Thai government officials and high ranking police are not aware of this "feasting" on our wallets by a group of dishonest police in the same place day-after-day. Has anyone had the same experience at the Bang Na toll plaza heading towards Pattaya? (It's on the elevated motorway in Bangkok where you pick up a toll card, not pay).

I've had positive experiences with the police in Thailand the past 5 years, and find them to be generally good natured and helpful. It's a shame that this pack of greedy Motorcycle Highway Police are soo agressive.

Can someone help alert the authorities?
It seems the new Government are allowing the Police to do as they please.
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I've been driving between Pattaya and Bangkok for years on the motorway without problems. I'm a cautious driver, and always drive slowly and carefully.

Two months ago I became aware of numerous motorcycle Highway Police waiting at the Bang Na toll plaza (direction to Pattaya). They are on foot and randomly stop a large number of cars usually including me. I'm never at fault of any kind, and indeed the first they see me is when I'm actually stopped picking up the toll card.

The routine is always the same. They signal me to stop, come up and demand my license (I have a Thai one). Then they make up some sort of offense ("You took the card too fast", "You started too fast after you got the card", You were approaching the toll booth too fast"). Then they tell me that I'll have to drive to some far-away police station in 2 days to pay the fine and retrieve my license. Of course, I offer to pay the fine immediately, and they demand 500 THB. It's always settled at 200 THB, and I go on my way with my license.

I realize every expat sometimes has this experience, however the frequency of it happening has increased at a astonishing rate. And it's ALWAYS the same toll plaza, and the same officers. I feel that Thai government officials and high ranking police are not aware of this "feasting" on our wallets by a group of dishonest police in the same place day-after-day. Has anyone had the same experience at the Bang Na toll plaza heading towards Pattaya? (It's on the elevated motorway in Bangkok where you pick up a toll card, not pay).

I've had positive experiences with the police in Thailand the past 5 years, and find them to be generally good natured and helpful. It's a shame that this pack of greedy Motorcycle Highway Police are soo agressive.

Can someone help alert the authorities?
There are many posts like this on the forum,but mainly about traffic cops.
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Old 29th June 2009, 03:43 PM
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Thanks for passing that info on Johnny B. I'll be using BKK airport myself in a few weeks and I'll certainly keep myself & my wife well away from those damn Duty Free shops.

Re: "The customs incident should have been challenged,and could have been avoided easily,just a little simple home work would have soon thrown up the amount of cig allowance permitted.Also why didn't the couple just say the other cigs were for the husband?I don't think we are getting the full story here somehow."

As I understand it they had 4 cartons and you are allowed 1 each, so even between them they had double the allowed amount. As I said at the start of this thread, they were in the wrong, they broke Thailand's customs regulations. No doubt about that. But a 28,000THB on the spot fine was excessive in my opinion, and as I stated earlier, I don't think it's in Thailand's best interests to have so many people pissed off and writing horror story letters to their local newspapers. Why didn't the people make a stand? Don't know, guess they are old (late 60s) and they were scared, after all they saw the TV news back home when the Aussie journalist & the Aussie woman were jailed recently. I guess they were shaking in their shoes and just wanted to get the hell out of the situation. I also guess the customs sensed their fear and played on that. I don't know the people, as I said they are the parents of a good friend. As for the taxi incident at Krabi, I suppose the Thai man approached the lady with a beautiful warm Thai smile and gained her trust. Then halfway to town he shot down a side street and robbed her. Sure it can happen anywhere, I just posted the story to alert forum readers to be extra cautious.
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