Am I being pettish? hardly could you call Khun Pamela etc or even little me a Forum Virgin ( yecchh!) or newbie .Mark sweetie,can we have those cutesy and incorrect labels off please or am I a voice crying in the wilderness? Thanks ooh and while I'm here ,are all those great old threads still happening are they archived? I tried to get into them but no go maybe I need instructions because I'm a newbie ..hee hee!